tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post3258668550469217516..comments2024-03-14T07:32:30.141+09:00Comments on Marketing Japan: Repercussions of Irresponsible Flyjin Managementmike in tokyo rogershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-86272464505819675132011-08-04T16:22:10.261+09:002011-08-04T16:22:10.261+09:00Seriously, I didn't remove comments so accept ...Seriously, I didn't remove comments so accept my apologies and please take the time to repost... Sorry for the trouble.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-34799933719071259542011-08-04T16:19:16.710+09:002011-08-04T16:19:16.710+09:00Hey! What! ? I didn't remove any comments. I o...Hey! What! ? I didn't remove any comments. I only remove comments that attack other readers (you can attack me, I don't care)... And I remove crass profanity. I didn't remove any comments. Please do, by all means, repost!<br /><br />Mikemike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-47765412709891972002011-08-04T14:38:28.091+09:002011-08-04T14:38:28.091+09:00There was nothing offensive or abusive about my co...There was nothing offensive or abusive about my comment in relation to the difference of the labour markets that enable people to make different choices so why did you remove it?<br /><br />It was just reasoned debate. Don't worry, I know you read it, so try to think a bit wider than a tabloid new article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-16803483074982598712011-08-04T12:35:05.878+09:002011-08-04T12:35:05.878+09:00And I believe that is the point. Even in such diff...And I believe that is the point. Even in such difficult economic conditions, they put the welfare of the family first in health terms, not material or status ones. They are willing to take that risk. <br /><br />But even the economic risk is there it is not the same as in Japan. In a liberal labour market, if you are good enough you will find another job, it is just a matter of time. High unemployment does not mean everyone is unemployed, it just means that it might take a little longer to find the right job or you may have to take a pay cut whist you rebuild your career. At worst you might have a life style change where you have to accept you can't afford to live like you used to. But, if you're good, you will be ok, and that's the difference in the confidence between the two that enables gaijin to take a different decisions. Some stayed, some left knowing the risks.<br /><br />That is the decision they took when they left and it's not an easy one but they put the family and health ahead of personal economics.<br /><br />Japanese men are not in the same situation. It is much more difficult for them to take this type of approach due to the social and labour market structure. <br /><br />And please, stop treating everyone as ill informed. You are not the only one that reads. Learn how to debate without belittling the person with an opposing or alternative view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-70340653043037254202011-08-04T10:17:19.696+09:002011-08-04T10:17:19.696+09:00Perhaps I mix up my arguments.
I found this comm...Perhaps I mix up my arguments. <br /><br />I found this comment by you to be most interesting:<br /><br />"And under this "contract style", the cultural background of the west is that the family comes first." This is an interesting notion considering that, without a job, how is it that the "family comes first"? No job, in most cases means no house or food.<br /><br />With the US unemployment reaching 9.2% (officially) and over 20% (unofficially) and US food stamp participation over 45 million people, I find your argument quite uninformed and curious at best.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-54170427385554372742011-08-04T09:16:35.069+09:002011-08-04T09:16:35.069+09:00I believe you mix up your arguments all the time. ...I believe you mix up your arguments all the time. Now we are talking about race and social welfare issues. Not an emergency situation that has high potential health risks which are as yet still unknown by anyone, including you. I, and many gaijin, have not emigrated to Japan. I don't want the vote in Japan as I am not a citizen of Japan. <br /><br />The big difference between the Japanese salaryman and those posted here from other countries is that the salaryman has no choice. When he joins a corporation, he signs up for life. One where the corporation takes first priority in return for all financial and social care of the individual for life. Even he wanted to leave he can't. At 40 something, which is what he will be as a manager in Japan, if he lost his job, where is he going to go? The labour market in Japan is not flexible (though changing a little). So, what he does is send his family to Osaka like many, many did. He himself goes to work as a good soldier.<br /><br />For the gaijin in management positions (which seem to be the ones you keep highlighting; not the underpaid, ill treated second class immigrants that you are reluctantly allowing to stay in Japan for a few years and who do deserve the full rights of the country as a citizen) the whole thought process is different. They are generally from flexible labour markets. If they are good, and they generally are or they wouldn't have been asked to transfer here, they are confident enough to know they can get another job with another company.<br /><br />The company (Japanese or western - makes no difference) guarantees them no job for life and they know it. In this way, they are free to decide for themselves. Some stayed, some left. Some returned, some have not returned. And under this "contract style", the cultural background of the west is that the family comes first. Why, because that is what counts in life, the people that you love and love you, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health.<br /><br />The company does not care for an individual in the same way, they are not concerned about their true health in the same way. Strange that these gaijin are so weak that they can take this decision, to sacrifice their careers and livelihoods for the protection of their families. Maybe you could learn something from these flyjin if you just opened your eyes and stopped the stereotyping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-25340560508209179372011-08-04T07:30:11.137+09:002011-08-04T07:30:11.137+09:00PS: Like another poster said, "this is a ques...PS: Like another poster said, "this is a question of character".... Obviously, some people's character is more lacking than even their analytical abilities.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-60562656187103535132011-08-04T07:29:19.220+09:002011-08-04T07:29:19.220+09:00Excellent point anonymous! So don't complain w...Excellent point anonymous! So don't complain when you are treated like second class citizens in Japan because of your skin color... Don't complain when you can't vote, yet are taxed... Don't complain when you are racially profiled by the police.... <br /><br />After all, you have somewhere to run to, right?<br /><br />How hypocritical! Are you so dense that you can't even see the elementary failings of your argument?<br /><br />Pathetic at best.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-77688735591908443832011-08-03T21:21:45.951+09:002011-08-03T21:21:45.951+09:00They did't run from here because they can'...They did't run from here because they can't, they live here, their lives are here and their families are here. They have run from posting overseas in exactly the same way, returning to the safe haven of Japan - why? Because they could. Don't hold up the great Japanese stoic when the truth is they had no alternative and still don't, they have to continue their lives here. That's the difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-22052044437891472152011-08-03T18:46:57.270+09:002011-08-03T18:46:57.270+09:00As a guy who works outside all the time and visits...As a guy who works outside all the time and visits a very many different bunch of companies all I can say is:<br /><br />1) That I have yet to meet or hear of any Japanese management person who left Tokyo. Only foreigners.<br /><br />2) The excuse that "the Japanese did it too" doesn't hold water. Yes, indeed this is a complete judgement of character. Hence, the excuse that "Everyone did it so I did too." Is a very poor excuse. Is there any one of us whose mother didn't admonish us that, "If everyone robbed a bank, would you do it too?"<br /><br />Besides my company that I run, I also do marketing and give advice as such to many companies in Tokyo and have yet to hear of Japanese management that ran away and don't believe that they did... And if they did, they have lost their job's now. It is a shameful thing that these people did.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-16956010509100697032011-08-03T16:47:25.338+09:002011-08-03T16:47:25.338+09:00Let's stop with the flyjin reference, shall we...Let's stop with the flyjin reference, shall we? It gets tiring and only encourages stereotyping. This manager is not a good one, that should be the end of this article, flyjin or not.wishknewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-27182292429823272862011-08-03T16:22:48.240+09:002011-08-03T16:22:48.240+09:00This man was a twit before the disaster and a twit...This man was a twit before the disaster and a twit after it.<br /><br />It has nothing to do with flyjin or how you interpret the current and on-going risks that we all face. It is not so easy being a foreigner in any country when an emergency happens, let alone one where most gaijin can't read the labels on their food to know where it is produced. Generally, they are only here for a two or three years and as Japanese is not a global language, most people master the polite phrases but have no major incentive to master the whole language. This is the gaijin you seem to talk about. What happened to the cheap factory workers or cleaners you import for labour? Did they desert there responsibilities too?<br /><br />I also remember the advise given to Japanese nationals in our company after the London bombings -get home as soon as you can!<br /><br />Oh yes, the world, especially the Anglo Saxon one, was being attacked. Go home to safe Japan - and they did.<br /><br />Most nationals recognise that they have little choice to endure their own problems. What most nationals don't accept is enduring someone else's! You voted for nuclear, you put them by a fault line, you had consistently ignored international advise about the cosy relationship of the independent regulator.<br /><br />Not the people that are here to work, enjoy a beautiful culture and fantastic life experience, for a short time. Trying to widen their horizons and probably those of their children. <br /><br />Those that have chosen to live here, have married here, have built their lives here are different, if they left they deserve all the criticism you have to hand out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-91963324782433442152011-08-03T11:30:11.327+09:002011-08-03T11:30:11.327+09:00I stayed throughout the whole thing and offered to...I stayed throughout the whole thing and offered to help my neighbors and those at work (I am not a business manager, just a lowly teacher). I am as disgusted by the stories of the foreigners who only thought of themselves at a time of crisis but make no mistake, there were many many more Japanese national who did exactly the same thing and let others down. <br /><br />This should not be an opportunity to show differences between people but rather show differences in character as part of a one world people living under the same sky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-22867503483560387022011-08-03T08:59:03.484+09:002011-08-03T08:59:03.484+09:00Totaly Agree Mike, the true mettle of a manager be...Totaly Agree Mike, the true mettle of a manager becomes clear in a crisis. Some handled the march 11 situation well others very poorly.<br /><br />The old saying; do as I say not as I do rings very true.<br /><br />Captains of industry or rats on a sinking ship?Garinnoreply@blogger.com