tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post8125004945586410508..comments2024-03-14T07:32:30.141+09:00Comments on Marketing Japan: Japan Nuclear Disaster? The Scorecard So Farmike in tokyo rogershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-71940512816195829032011-04-03T23:35:29.957+09:002011-04-03T23:35:29.957+09:00Thanks for the perspective, Mike. However, where y...Thanks for the perspective, Mike. However, where you say: "Ultimately, the scorecard up until now shows that deaths from the nuclear accident until now are zero", the damage from exposure to radiation may take years to manifest itself. That's what happened with Vietnam vets, many of whom came down with cancer decades after their tours of duty. <br /><br />But I heartily agree with you on the western media: they hysterically overreact and cannot be trusted on any subject.Brad Geigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00454970041017290551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-40576469554235276912011-04-01T21:01:33.407+09:002011-04-01T21:01:33.407+09:00Mike, we've probably all had a number of panic...Mike, we've probably all had a number of panicked people calling for us to leave, but for me this is home.<br /><br />But one of real problems is the question of whether one can get reliable information on what has happened, developments risks. As you pointed out earlier, with Government and big statist corporations running the show, trust seems foolish.<br /><br />I've posted a few radical, middle-of-the-road libertarian musings, prompted by events here and fuelled by some sharp observations by Shikha Dalmia and Matt Ridley:<br /><br />In reverse chronological order:<br /><br />Beyond 'Nuclear Crony Capitalism': Does state-created corporations mean we are stuck with a wonderfully confused 'capitalist' mess of socialized risk? <br />http://bit.ly/gFfDlQ<br /><br />Matt Ridley, the "Rational Optimist," blasts Japan's "Nuclear Crony Capitalism" but fails to examine limited liability corporations<br />http://bit.ly/eCBbvW<br /><br />Shikha Dalmia of Reason Foundation doesn't feel sorry for TEPCO<br />http://bit.ly/eZTAjc<br /><br />Sorry, but I can't resist asking: Feel Sorry for Tokyo Electric Power Co?<br />http://bit.ly/emZo3E<br /><br />Institutionalized moral hazard: Fun with Nuclear Power in Japan, or, prepare for a glowing twilight, with scattered fallout in the morning<br />http://bit.ly/hvvWTokyoTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09588387872596983852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-84462590536931948622011-03-21T15:49:29.135+09:002011-03-21T15:49:29.135+09:00I am so glad we stayed in Tokyo.. we felt total pe...I am so glad we stayed in Tokyo.. we felt total peace about staying and the more I read about radiation and what the experts were saying, the less I feared it.. You expose yourself to more radiation getting on a plane and leaving the country.<br /><br />That documentary on nuclear fear was great!!! <br /><br />I think that when something tragic happens the first thing people want to do is go home.. Some people I know already had plans to go home on spring break so they decided to leave a few days earlier seeing there's so much confusion or no work anyway.<br /><br />I don't think it's good to leave out of fear without getting facts straight.. but I want to be careful to judge others who leave because I don't always know their reasons for doing so.Kathttp://www.katmusic.jpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-47989646166612720112011-03-20T23:18:54.808+09:002011-03-20T23:18:54.808+09:00The Grauniad caught in the act. "Fukushima wo...<a href="http://www.sheffnersweb.net/blogs/accuratemaps/language-rhetoric/why-i-dont-read-newspapers-2/" rel="nofollow">The Grauniad caught in the act.</a> "Fukushima workers exposed to illegal radiation levels", levels that, erm, weren't actually illegal, according to the article itself! Sheesh! And they wonder why we don't read them anymore?Guy Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04096668246272788520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-7712647548642591952011-03-20T23:14:19.289+09:002011-03-20T23:14:19.289+09:00Akiko Fujita tweets, Learned new term tonight: &qu...<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/AkikoFujita" rel="nofollow">Akiko Fujita</a> tweets, <i>Learned new term tonight: "Fly-Jin." Foreigners who fled Japan.</i><br />And <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/martyn_williams" rel="nofollow">Martyn Williams</a> tweets, <i>Trace amounts of iodine found in Tokyo tap water - Kyodo ("trace" = amount detectable but not enough to be quantified)</i><br />(Don't know how to link to someone's tweet, sorry!)Guy Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04096668246272788520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-13230058765635976132011-03-20T22:19:39.296+09:002011-03-20T22:19:39.296+09:00Who cares if the rest of the world has any fans in...Who cares if the rest of the world has any fans in Japan. Like that is ever considered. Think we have any fans in Iraq, Cuba or elsewhere? You really think Japan can actually get over from the US nuking them not once but twice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-31778142519141874172011-03-20T16:31:12.339+09:002011-03-20T16:31:12.339+09:00Mike, you are an absolute star and while Im far to...Mike, you are an absolute star and while Im far too ignorant to comment on this topic, I can not thank you enough for your candor and willingness to tell the truth.<br /><br />Now, I CAN say, as a complete loather of governments and politicians, I can easily see that the earthquake and tsunami and the pain and suffering and loss that so many Japanese souls are coping with now could have been exploited as a distraction to get the bombers to Libya and start imposing some "democracy." At least these pigs are consistent in their arrogance and stupidity.Alex Kanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-22410131068339042002011-03-20T16:29:07.469+09:002011-03-20T16:29:07.469+09:00I posted the article url because it gives a good o...I posted the article url because it gives a good overall on the nuclear issue. Would be nice to have a similar one on the tsunami.<br /><br />It is quite shocking to see how long it took to get some supplies to those areas.<br /><br />As for the TEPCO man crying, he must be contemplating all the aftereffects. Who knows, maybe he feels guilty about things he could have done differently before and after.<br /><br />I am not saying you will be walking down the street glowing or that you will start losing your hair.<br /><br />Level 5 is the same level as 3 Mile Island but that didn't have 4 reactor failures, unable to sustain coolant, large explosions, and last a week+. To reach Chernobyl level reactor containers must explode. Gratefully that hasn't happened.<br /><br />I don't know what it take to reach level 6.JTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-27049456064198823452011-03-20T14:59:52.525+09:002011-03-20T14:59:52.525+09:00Japanese upgrade accident from level four to five?...Japanese upgrade accident from level four to five? The same as Three Mile Island? A five grade means that radiation at the site is considered dangerous. How many people died at Three Mile Island? Zero. Three Mile Island had a 10 mile evacuation zone. Fukushima has 16 miles. How many miles to Tokyo? Over 150.<br />http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.com/2011/03/nuclear-crisis-facts-versus-rumors.html<br />You can panic if you want JT. Are you even in Tokyo?mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-37176131986755818892011-03-20T14:49:57.976+09:002011-03-20T14:49:57.976+09:00Thanks JT. For one, this news is two days old. For...Thanks JT. For one, this news is two days old. For two that level means the radiation at the plant is enough to kill people. Still no one has died due to radiation. The radiation levels in Tokyo are still about 2000 x less than a one way flight from Narita to NY. And at levels comparable to before the earthquake. http://113.35.73.180/report/report_table.do<br /><br />Come on JT! Think about it. If you were the in charge of this plant you you are a responsible person and been under stress and grilled by reporters, you might crack under the pressure and cry too.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-84356358355215666502011-03-20T14:32:56.090+09:002011-03-20T14:32:56.090+09:00The moment nuclear plant chief WEPT as Japanese fi...The moment nuclear plant chief WEPT as Japanese finally admit that radiation leak is serious enough to kill people<br /><br />By David Derbyshire<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367684/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Fukushima-nulear-plant-radiation-leak-kill-people.htmlJTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-66533558161058990712011-03-20T13:11:14.446+09:002011-03-20T13:11:14.446+09:00Thanks Andy,
I am sorry that I am being misunderst...Thanks Andy,<br />I am sorry that I am being misunderstood. Private insurance companies can and do insure nuke plants. Of course.<br />I mean that people cannot sue the nuclear power plant directly and win damages in Japan. They can, and will, sue the insurance company representing the nuke plant if they are unhappy about settlements offered. It is up to the courts to decide the result of that.<br />You can try to sue the nuclear plant because an earthquake and tsunami hit them but I doubt that there's a court in the world who wouldn't throw that out immediately. It cannot be considered negligence.<br />This wouldn't matter if it were an oil platform, or coal burning factory, nuke plant, etc... The law is pretty specific on that. It has nothing to do with the entity, it has to do with what insurance companies and courts deem "Acts of God"mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-52861926893327195542011-03-20T13:10:30.888+09:002011-03-20T13:10:30.888+09:00It is possible to use coal cleanly. If something w...It is possible to use coal cleanly. If something went wrong with a coal plant it is not as bad as a nuclear meltdown. You cannot control the atom. Do you think you have ultimate control of it as if you were god?<br /><br />The spent fuel is even a problem that doesn't ever go away. If all the power in the world was nuclear, the build up of radioactive materials, that cannot be disposed of, would stack up. That alone is enough of a reason not to use it.<br /><br />Japan uses what, 20-30% of its power from nuclear? So, Japan is not dependent on it. I do not think there would be even that much nuclear plants being used if it wasn't for the government. It is too expensive to build such plants. That is why Obama wants to give out money to companies to build them. Corporations will build them if that is the case, unsurprisingly.<br /><br />Governments are (as they say) fail.JTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-20210363282844785262011-03-20T13:08:24.668+09:002011-03-20T13:08:24.668+09:00@mikeintokyorogers
I was referring more to after ...@mikeintokyorogers<br /><br />I was referring more to after the fact. As in, the actions of the company after the tsunami. Even its preparedness/lacking in forethought.<br /><br />Not like you can sue a concept (government) like you could the individual.<br /><br />@Anonymous<br /><br />Read mikeintokyorogers posts, then the article and current reports.<br /><br />"Experts" stating that people are safe, because the levels are lower, are being irresponsible. They do not know if the individual is more prone to cancers, their immunity levels and how much exposure each individual has received.<br /><br />You cannot say the when and the who gets cancer. You cannot just cure cancer as if it is a cut. We would not have cancer if that was the case.JTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-46136438501168233462011-03-20T12:57:48.500+09:002011-03-20T12:57:48.500+09:00Still here up in Akita and hearing every day from ...Still here up in Akita and hearing every day from panic stricken Americans. With Obama and his gang attacking the innocent Libyan people, we can be assured that the "Japan is Chernobyl on Steroids" headlines will be history. How the bombing attacks are putting an end to violence and saving the Libyan people for democracy will be the new propaganda campaign.<br /><br />As soon as the situation in the Fukushima nuke plant problems are resolved, Japan needs to collect all of the information about what happened and think long and hard about the future of using nuclear power.<br /><br />In my mind, it is NOT safe and the fact that private insurance companies will not insure a nuke plant is strong supporting evidence.Andy "In Japan"https://www.blogger.com/profile/04505038501136945817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-33921019961036565172011-03-20T12:33:26.557+09:002011-03-20T12:33:26.557+09:00@JT: Facts please. "UK's John Beddington...@JT: Facts please. "UK's John Beddington seems to have got it wrong already about contamination." Where's your proof?<br /><br />The radioactive particles are not going to kill instantly or even within a week like you see in the movies or tv. It is years later when you get cancer, if you get cancer. No one knows what will happen in this regard until it happens.<br /><br />"It is years later when you get cancer, if you get cancer.... No one knows what will happen in the regard until it happens" Hallelujah Einstein! What a beautiful bit of meaningless drivel....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-73963734468056126902011-03-20T12:26:29.161+09:002011-03-20T12:26:29.161+09:00JT. You can sue the company in Japan, but would pr...JT. You can sue the company in Japan, but would probably lose. This was not an intentional action.This earthquake and tsunami will be considered "acts of God" under law (any other country is the same). Intentional actions that cause loss can be taken to court. Minamata proves that. If you had a loss and the insurance company refuses to pay you, then you could sue them and perhaps win.<br />An understanding of Japanese law & history explains why you cannot sue for damages in Japan. This was also set up and approved by the western powers after WWII (they needed Japan as a bulwark against the USSR). If you could sue for damages in Japan and win, like in the west, that would open up Japan for massive damages suits concerning WWII, comfort women, slaves from Korea, etc. etc.mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-23889263274446679732011-03-20T12:19:23.810+09:002011-03-20T12:19:23.810+09:00UK's John Beddington seems to have got it wron...UK's John Beddington seems to have got it wrong already about contamination. Cannot trust what he says now.<br /><br />The radioactive particles are not going to kill instantly or even within a week like you see in the movies or tv. It is years later when you get cancer, if you get cancer. No one knows what will happen in this regard until it happens.<br /><br />Unless you ingest it and dependent upon the levels.<br />So when I heard about the water my first thoughts were about Alexander Litvinenko and his cup of tea. Not to say it is the same.<br /><br />Now in the free-market you could sue the company, but is that even possible in Japan? In the so called "free market" in the US, the government gives companies monopolies and even immunities.JTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-36345318949412202342011-03-20T11:27:50.937+09:002011-03-20T11:27:50.937+09:00Ben! Brilliantly stated!Ben! Brilliantly stated!mike in tokyo rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977446676243085409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-43355113452828148452011-03-20T11:26:27.616+09:002011-03-20T11:26:27.616+09:00I am tired of the main media hype, specifically ai...I am tired of the main media hype, specifically aimed at the (indoctrinated government educated) masses. Unfortunately, when the media hypes any story, that usually means that they are covering up a real story. Unfortunately, they have.<br /><br />My feelings concerning FDR aside, he is quoted as saying, "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."<br /><br />Mrs. R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2207076947655236975.post-13332227989535851762011-03-20T11:25:08.744+09:002011-03-20T11:25:08.744+09:00That's exactly what I want to express Mike, th...That's exactly what I want to express Mike, thanks for that.<br />The other facet I want to mention though are 'The New Tokyo Heroes'.<br />These are the Johnny Panic club who refused to listen to people trying to reassure them, screamed apocalypse and fled.<br />Then when it scare is over, march back into Tokyo trumpeting about how Tokyo is safe and how the media over-reacted.<br />They then accept all the admiration from others about being so positive and brave in a crisis when in reality they shat the bed and ran home.<br />To at least have some dignity they should admit they ran but are happy everything turned out okay.<br />As you said, panic is easy spread and they can be forgiven, if they acknowledge it.<br />But the likelihood is that we'll be hearing tales of triumph over adversity and valour from the people who were never here.<br />The people who really did tough it out, you won't hear from because their mentality isn't about promoting themselves.<br />As you wrote, the people who stayed were acting in support of the community and the people they share the land with.<br />However it's the media we should hold most accountable for causing people to feel that way, to feel they had to leave.Bennoreply@blogger.com